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     <h2 class="date-header">Thursday, 07 May 2009</h2>
      
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Dear Dr. McLeroy,<br>
<br>
While reading your essay on equity I paused when I came to this passage:<br>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial;">"This
is
the way our founding fathers were taught. Henry Grady Weaver described
it thus:
<o:p></o:p></span>
<i><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial;">Before
he was sixteen, the philosophy and history of the
entire European past had been pounded into his head.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>Thus
when he was old enough to begin thinking
things out for himself, he had in his own mind a storehouse of
knowledge,
covering thousands of years of human experience. Also, he was drilled
in logic
and the accurate meaning of words as a protection against fallacies of
fancy
rhetoric!<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"> (</span></span></i><u><span style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial;">The
Mainspring of
Human Progress</span></u><span style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial;">, Henry
Grady Weaver, 1947<span class="GramE">,p</span> 192)"<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dmcleroy.home.att.net/Philosophy/AchievingEquity.htm">http://dmcleroy.home.att.net/Philosophy/AchievingEquity.htm</a><br>
<br>
<big><font face="Arial">I'm always suspicious when I encounter pronouns
without antecedents and often look for the source so I might better
know what one might be talking about.&nbsp; I actually found another source
for much of what you wrote and am happy to share it with you:</font></big><br>
</span>
<p><strong>"Democracy" by Rose Wilder Lane</strong></p>
<p>Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, John Adams, Madison, and Monroe
feared democracy.</p>
<p>They were educated men. Excepting Franklin (self-educated), each one
had the education of an English gentleman. That is, the philosophy and
the history of the whole European past had been pounded into his head
before he was twelve years old. Therefore, when he was old enough to
think for himself, he had thousands of years of human experience with
every form of Government, to think about.</p>
<p>This knowledge was then regarded as necessary to every man whose
birth entitled him to take any part in the government of his country.</p>
<p>They also knew the meaning of every word they used; they knew its
Greek, Latin, or Anglo-Saxon root. Until forty years ago, this
knowledge was still considered of first importance in American schools.
Every pupil, at thirteen and fourteen, learned etymology as he had
learned spelling since the age of six, by dogged repetition until the
facts were fixed in his mind."</p>
<span style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial;"><big><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mises.org/story/2602">http://mises.org/story/2602</a><br>
<br>
The mystery of the similarity of the two was stripped when I finally
got into the preface to Weaver's book:<br>
<br>
"In an "author's notation" in the first printing of the book,<br>
Mr. Weaver states: "In some respects, Mainspring is a condensation<br>
of Rose Wilder Lane's book, The Discovery of<br>
Freedom. In other respects, it is an amplification. Inspired<br>
by her thesis and with her gracious consent, I've tried to retell<br>
her story in my own way, making liberal use of her material<br>
-plus ideas growing out of personal experiences and gathered<br>
from various sources. Mrs. Lane should not be blamed for any<br>
omissions, deviations, and additions. (She does not always<br>
agree with me-and vice versal)"<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mises.org/books/mainspring.pdf">http://mises.org/books/mainspring.pdf</a><br>
<br>
<font face="Arial">Now that I have found the source of your quotation
it's interesting, at least to me, so see it in context and to see what
you omitted.<br>
<br>
<font color="#ff0000"><br>
</font></font><font color="#ff0000">"Obviously, there can be no
individual freedom unless the<br>
rights of the minority are protected; and in an unrestrained<br>
democracy, it's too easy for the organized pressure<br>
groups to infringe on the rights of others.</font><br>
<font color="#ff0000"><br>
"To be fitted for public office in later life, it was then considered<br>
necessary for a boy to be given the education of an English gentleman.</font><br>
Before he was sixteen, the philosophy and history of the<br>
entire European past had been pounded into his head. Thus, when<br>
he was old enough to begin thinking things out for himself, he<br>
had within his own mind a storehouse of knowledge covering<br>
thousands of years of human experience. Also, he was drilled in<br>
logic and the accurate meaning of words, as essential to straight
thinking<br>
and as a protection against the fallacies of fancy rhetoric!<br>
(<font color="#ff0000">One of these days, I hope to write a book, or at
least a pamphlet,<br>
on the educational techniques that produced such men as Washington,<br>
Jefferson, and Madison - with a special chapter on the<br>
Donald Robertson School. )</font><br>
p. 192 <u>Mainspring</u>&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mises.org/books/mainspring.pdf">http://mises.org/books/mainspring.pdf</a><br>
<br>
<font face="Arial">Today I'm left wondering just how much Weaver might
have known about Donald Robertson.&nbsp; Precious little knowledge about him
and his school seems to have survived to this day.&nbsp; Here's an excerpt
from an author who, I am sure, had her interest in Robertson piqued by
the same quotation as did Weaver.<br>
<br>
</font></big></span>
<p class="c99">By Dorothy A. Boyd-Rush, Ph.D.</p>
<p class="c101">INDIVIDUALS SURROUNDED BY MYSTERY are often
described as "intriguing" and "fascinating." Unfortunately, they
can also be referred to in less-flattering terms.<span class="c100">&nbsp;</span>
Terms like "maddening,"<span class="c100">&nbsp;</span> "frustrating" and
"disappointing" immediately
come to mind. One such maddening and intriguing individual was
Donald Robertson, an 18th-century teacher and schoolmaster in
Colonial Virginia. One of his pupils, late in life, reportedly
stated that <font color="#ff0000">"all that I have been in life I owe
largely to that
man."</font> That pupil was none other than James Madison, fourth
president of the United States and a man not given to making casual
compliments.&nbsp; (color added)<br>
</p>
<p class="c101">For a man who undoubtedly influenced the lives of
many in the school he established in King and Queen County, Va., we
know remarkably little about Donald Robertson - beyond the obvious:
That he must have been an extraordinary teacher and likely the
first to expose the minds of his pupils to the ideas of the
Enlightenment, the political questions of the age, the classics and
the boundless capabilities of the human spirit.</p>
<p class="c101">At the personal level, Robertson was a Scotsman,
born in Aberdeen on Sept. 27, 1717, to Charles Robertson and his
wife, Isabella McDonald. The father was an ardent supporter of the
Stuarts, even participating at the age of 65 years at the disastrous
battle
of Culloden in 1745. The son did not. He was then married and
living in Edinburgh.</p>
<p class="c101">Donald Robertson's first wife was Henrietta
Maxwell, from an influential family who supported the Hanoverian
government rather than the Stuarts during the Jacobite revolts of
the 18th century. Probably due to the depressed conditions in
Scotland during the 1740s, Donald Robertson set sail for the New
World in 1752, shortly before the death of his mother and the death
of his wife. Robertson's Latin Bible records not only his date of
birth but also the date of his arrival in Virginia, the latter
occurring on March 29, 1752. The entries recorded in his Bible are
cited in a family history published in 1897 by one of his
descendants, William Kyle Anderson, but, unfortunately, the
whereabouts of the Bible today is unknown.</p>
<p class="c101">After arriving in Virginia, Robertson had no
difficulty finding employment. Given that he attended the
University of Edinburgh and was very likely a licensed preacher of
the gospel, he was immediately hired by Col. John Baylor of New
Market, a prominent member of the community in King and Queen
County, which was created from New Kent County in 1691. After
several years of being a successful tutor, Robertson, in a
characteristically entrepreneurial move, decided to establish a
private boarding school in the area in which he had been living.
Donald Robertson's school was located on a farm overlooking the
Mattapony River, about four miles above the present Dunkirk Bridge,
where King and Queen County and King William County converge.
Nothing remains of the original brick structure. As King and Queen
County is one of Virginia's "burnt counties," next to nothing
remains of the records associated with any of Robertson's holdings.
Both his real and his personal property are largely left to the
imagination. Two exceptions include a tax record for 1782 that
surfaced in 1961 after being missing since 1864, a record that
indicates that Robertson's land holdings in 1782 consisted of 150
acres, and one volume devoted to King and Queen County in the
Virginia Colonial Abstracts series that records the sale of 31
slaves after the death of Robertson's wife in 1799."</p>
<span style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial;"><big><font face="Arial"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jmu.edu/montpelier/2003Spring/MoldingAFoundingFather.shtml">http://www.jmu.edu/montpelier/2003Spring/MoldingAFoundingFather.shtml</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Now I'll admit that a lot of it was skimming but I've completed the
reading of your essay and I wonder if you actually ended up where you
actually began.&nbsp; In you view, do we need to be pounding more facts into
the heads of our children?&nbsp; <br>
<br>
And one other question, if I may.&nbsp; If I hold a ball close to the
ceiling -- eight feet above the floor-- and drop it, how long will it
take to hit the floor?&nbsp; Where will it be when half that time has
expired?&nbsp; Were these 'facts' a part of your curriculum?&nbsp; Would you
prescribe these 'facts' to be a part of the curriculum for our children
today?&nbsp;&nbsp; Do those facts relate at all to the fact that the moon remains
in a orbit around the earth?&nbsp; If so, how do they relate?&nbsp; If you don't
know, how would you become competent in this area of inquiry?<br>
<br>
These are the things I'm wondering right now.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ian E. Reid<br>
12802 Modena Trail<br>
Austin, Texas 78729<br>
<br>
p.s.&nbsp; I'm cc'ing Senator Odgen since he represents me (District 5) and
I've been in communication with his office seeking his support in
opposition to your confirmation as chairman of the State Board Of
Education.<br>
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